Army Pay Hike vs Sixth Pay Commission: 3-member Committee formed
Breaking News! After the Armed Forces expressed huge disappointment over the Sixth Pay Commission report and rejected it outright, the PMO intervened and formed a 3-member committee to look into their grievances. After consulting with the PM, who is away on a foreign visit, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee formed a committee with two other members Finance Minister P Chidambaram and Defence Minister A K Antony. Mr. Pranab Mukherjee will head the committee.The committee will look into objections raised by armed forces over the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations. Defence Minister AK Antony expressed hope that armed forces will get their pay in new scales by Diwali. He also assured that all anomalies in the pay will be duly addressed. The Defence Services have decided to accept the revised pay scales and submit the salary bills to the ministry until the committee submits its report the cabinet.
President Dr. Pratibha Patil took note of the concerns of the armed forces and gave her sanction to the order for ad-hoc payment of arrears, which will help the defence personnel to manage their Diwali expenses.
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Why our poltical and buracrat masters allowed this stuation to occur, where a disciplined orgnisation has gone to the extent of refusing pay. It appears that our defence forces must have been pushed against the wall to take that extreme step.
As per ch 3.4 Page 186 of pay comission report published on 24 Mar 08 the comission recommended that all diploma holders be placed in starting pay band PB 2 with grade pay of 4200 but it has recommended diploma holders of defence to be placed in PB 1 with a grade pay of 2800. When will this anomally be looked into?????
when the committment on the part OF soldier is complete, that is he will not hesitate to make that supreme sacrifice, IT HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES. why are some mentally sick guys in beaurocracy have myopic view and are bent upon destroying his value systeM, his motivation and morale.
DEFENCE /SOLDIERS are simple people.such illogical acts will only push THEM to react violently.
IAS CADRE HAS ALREADY DESTROYED THE BASIC CODE OF CONDUCT. IF MANAGING ARMED FORCES IS DIFFICULT THEN THE SECURITY CAN BE OUTSOURCED TO PERHAPS PAKISTAN ARMY, CHINESE OR IAS CADRE CAN TRAIN THEIR KITH AND KIN TO DEFEND VAST INDIAN BORDERS.
why their children donot opt for defence services.DEFENCE FORCES CAN BE SILENT SPECTATORS TO THIS NONSENSE GOING ON TIME AND AGAIN.
THEY MUST BE GIVEN THEIR DUE.
POOR SOLDIER IS LEFT HIGH AND DRY.
COL S S MALIK
it is a shame that a bulk of the officers who form the back bone of the indian army but are too junior in the hierchy to say anything are being treated so shabbily. The powers that be have reduced these proud officers into beggars waiting for some miracle to happen. The army knows no time, it is used in the most hazardous circumstances and is flogged day in and day out; yet. It is indeed sad and no wonder why the children of the defence personnel not opting for the job and why also the children of the IAS community too are not joining the defence forces.
why only army,why not cpmf be included in this new pay hike.they r also doing the same job but poorer.
yes they may be included as they r also doing thier work with life risk.
If country is not safe where under whom we prefer to live.After seeing some people comments undermining Army and it is unfortunate same people who speaks ill of noble leaders like Mahatma also.
If country should be safe who is to be recognized as responsible. Is it bureaucrats or military men.Please remember the last 1971 war.
I just want to inform that, a radar operator in paktistan air force was receiveing 18000 rupees ((pak) during 95 as his basic salary. may be a radar operator (IAF)sgt rank must have been in receipt of INR 4000 during 95. do not allow/permit them to do such doubts as expressed by indira gandhi once expressed to |Mankshew Quote are u poking ur noseUnquote the reply I am always ready sweetee of course that meant for 71 war but it had an allegary too when he said I am not into others business.........
soldier has never revolted in our country of moedern times.he is human too.He can see through the mischvious game being played at his cost.
IASLOBBY HAS PUSHED THE WHOLE NATION INTO UNCETTAIN TIMES , BIAS, DISTRUST,DESTROYIUNG THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF GOVT SERVICES,INTERDEPENDDENCE, PARITY, PRIDE,
DEMOTIVATED ARMY WILL BE WORST CASE FOR THE PROGRESSING INDIA.
WHY IAS LOBBY KIN DOES NOT JOIN DEFENCE FORCE IN THE LOVE FOR THE COUNTRY.DEFENCE PEOPLE ARE EQUALY CAPABLE, QUALIFIED, RELIABLE , DEPENDABLE, INTEGRAL,SIMPLE COMMITTED.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE JOIN DEFENCE FORCE TO DIE FOR FEW CRUMBS THROWN AT HIM. GOODIES OTHERS ENJOY AND HE LEFT HIGH AND DRY TO DIE AND LIVE FOR THE FALSE CONSPIRED NATIONAL CAUSE.
SACRIFICE THE ULTIMATE.
cl s s malik
...soldier has never revolted in our country of moedern times.he is human too.He can see through the mischivious game being played at his cost.
IAS LOBBY HAS PUSHED THE WHOLE NATION INTO UNCERTAIN TIMES , BIAS, DISTRUST,DESTROYIUNG THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF GOVT SERVICES,INTERDEPENDENCE, PARITY, PRIDE,
DEMOTIVATED ARMY WILL BE WORST CASE FOR THE PROGRESSING INDIA.
WHY IAS LOBBY KIN DOES NOT JOIN DEFENCE FORCE IN THE LOVE FOR THE COUNTRY.
DEFENCE PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY CAPABLE, QUALIFIED, RELIABLE , DEPENDABLE, INTEGRAL,SIMPLE COMMITTED.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE JOIN DEFENCE FORCE TO DIE FOR FEW CRUMBS THROWN AT HIM. GOODIES OTHERS ENJOY AND HE IS LEFT HIGH AND DRY TO DIE AND LIVE FOR THE FALSE CONSPIRED NATIONAL CAUSE.
WHY HE SHOULD MAKE SACRIFICE THE ULTIMATE.
DIS ENCHANTED BY
THE "CHALTA HAI" ATTITUDE OF THE COUNTRY MASTERS....
cOl s s malik.
...soldier has never revolted in our country of moedern times.he is human too.He can see through the mischivious game being played at his cost.
IAS LOBBY HAS PUSHED THE WHOLE NATION INTO UNCERTAIN TIMES , BIAS, DISTRUST,DESTROYIUNG THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF GOVT SERVICES,INTERDEPENDENCE, PARITY, PRIDe.
DEMOTIVATED ARMY WILL BE WORST CASE FOR THE PROGRESSING INDIA.
WHY IAS LOBBY KIN DOES NOT JOIN DEFENCE FORCE IN THE LOVE FOR THE COUNTRY.
DEFENCE PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY CAPABLE, QUALIFIED, RELIABLE , DEPENDABLE, INTEGRAL,SIMPLE COMMITTED.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE JOIN DEFENCE FORCE TO DIE FOR FEW CRUMBS THROWN AT HIM. GOODIES OTHERS ENJOY AND HE IS LEFT HIGH AND DRY TO DIE AND LIVE FOR THE FALSE CONSPIRED NATIONAL CAUSE.
WHY HE SHOULD MAKE SACRIFICE THE ULTIMATE.
DIS ENCHANTED BY THE "CHALTA HAI" ATTITUDE OF THE COOUNTRY's MASTERS.
col s s malik.
The Biggest Culprits are the Beaucrats and the Politicians who do not want to even think that if they are surviving and going gaga with their corruption, it is because the Defence Forces are guarding the Borders. The beaucrats are forgetting that everytime it is the Army which comes to their rescue to deal with the distubances and the Natural and Man made calamities; which is very clear that the beaucracy does not have the will rather they are too afraid to deal with such situations.
CHANAKYA HAS ALSO SAID THAT THEIR SHOULD NEVER BE SITUATION WHEREIN THE SOLDIER HAS TO LOOK BACK TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. THE MOMENT THAT HAPPENS THAT IS THE DOOMS DAY FOR THAT COUNTRY.
sAME WAS SAID BY LORD KRISHNA TO YUDHISTHIR DURING MAHABHARATA.
DEAR PM, FM, RM WAKE UP UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE A MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM AT YOUR BACK.
TAKE CARE OF YOUR SOLDIER..... OR ELSE..... GOD SAVE THIS COUNTRY.... WITH SUCH DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!
IAS lobby has sown a seed of blatant mistrust.We should only see at pak army, what misguided armies land nations into
armed forces will not accept this insulting act of showing a soldier down.
India has suffered under these people enjoying the proximity of the everwlling leadership.defence if compromised history is full of such incidences when enenmies have ruled this nation.
co; s s malik
when the committment on the part OF soldier is complete, that is he will not hesitate to make that supreme sacrifice, IT HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES.It will happen again. why are some mentally sick guys in beaurocracy having myopic view and are bent upon destroying his value systeM, his motivation and morale.
DEFENCE /SOLDIERS are simple people.such illogical acts will only push THEM to react violently.
IAS CADRE HAS ALREADY DESTROYED THE BASIC CODE OF CONDUCT. IF MANAGING ARMED FORCES IS DIFFICULT THEN THE SECURITY CAN BE OUTSOURCED TO PERHAPS PAKISTAN ARMY, CHINESE OR IAS CADRE CAN TRAIN THEIR KITH AND KIN TO DEFEND VAST INDIAN BORDERS.
why their children donot opt for defence services.DEFENCE FORCES CAN't BE SILENT SPECTATORS TO THIS NONSENSE GOING ON TIME AND AGAIN.
THEY MUST BE GIVEN THEIR DUE.
POOR SOLDIER IS LEFT HIGH AND DRY.today defence is strong and other countries are noticing india, but demotivation will cripple this attitude in no time
Ican only pray to the allproud patriotic indians to take note of this mischivious action on the part of corruppt/selfcenterd,egoistic burocrats
COL S S MALIK
...soldier has never revolted in our country of modern times.he is human too.He can see through the mischEvious game being played at his cost.
IAS LOBBY HAS PUSHED THE WHOLE NATION INTO UNCERTAIN TIMES , BIAS, DISTRUST,DESTROYIUNG THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF GOVT SERVICES,INTERDEPENDENCE, PARITY, PRIDe.
DEMOTIVATED ARMY WILL BE WORST CASE FOR THE PROGRESSING INDIA.
WHY IAS LOBBY KIN DO NOT JOIN DEFENCE FORCES IN THE LOVE FOR THE COUNTRY.AFTER THIS I HAVE NO COURAGE TO TELL MY SON TO OPT FOR CAREER IN THE ARMY AFTER BEING THIRD GENERATION MY SELF.
SAB KHOKALE LAGTE HAIN , LIFE KI QURBANI IN MUJRIMO KE LIYE DENE KI KOI ZAROORAT NAHIN.I CAN SEE MORALITY GOING DOWNHILL.
DEFENCE PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY CAPABLE, QUALIFIED, RELIABLE , DEPENDABLE, INTEGRAL,SIMPLE YET MOST COMMITTED.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE JOIN DEFENCE FORCE TO DIE FOR FEW CRUMBS THROWN AT HIM. GOODIES OTHERS ENJOY AND HE IS LEFT HIGH AND DRY TO DIE AND LIVE FOR THE FALSE CONSPIRED NATIONAL CAUSE.
WHY HE SHOULD MAKE SACRIFICE THE ULTIMATE.
DIS ENCHANTED BY THE "CHALTA HAI" ATTITUDE OF THE COUNTRY's MASTERS.
col s s malik.
WHY VALUE THE MORAL OF A SAINIK,HE IS FOOLISH , MAD WANTS TO SACRIFICE HIS EVERYHTING FOR HIS MOTHER LAND.
beaurocrats APPEAR TO HAVE SOLD THEIR CONSCIENCE AND ....... THEY ARE SO ENGROSSED IN FILLING THEIR COFFERS AND KEEP THE SOLDIER DOWN, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE IRREPIARABLE DAMAGE THEY HAVE DONE TO THE NATIONAL INTEGRITY.
AYMYMAN IS THE SAME SON OF THE SOIL, DEDICATED DEVOTED YET SIMPLE. IF HE CAN FIRE AND KILL THE ENEMY HE WILL NOT DIFFRENTIATE BETWEEN THE ENEMIES WITHIN.
GOD SAVE MY LAND MY BHARAT.
when the committment on the part OF soldier is complete, that is he will not hesitate to make that supreme sacrifice,
COUNTRY IS ALLREADY BURNING DUE THE MISMANAGEMENT OF TODAYS IAS lobby.IAS CADRE HAS ALREADY DESTROYED THE BASIC CODE OF CONDUCT. IF MANAGING ARMED FORCES IS DIFFICULT THEN THE SECURITY CAN BE OUTSOURCED.IAS CADRE CAN TRAIN THEIR KITH AND KIN TO DEFEND VAST INDIAN BORDERS.
why their children donot opt for defence services.DEFENCE FORCES CAN'T BE SILENT SPECTATORS TO THIS NONSENSE GOING ON TIME AND AGAIN.
THEY MUST BE GIVEN THEIR DUE.
POOR SOLDIER IS LEFT HIGH AND DRY.
HE WILL NO MORE REACT TO THEIR NONSENSE TIME IS COMING WHEN HE WILL ACT. HE IS EQUALLY CAPABLE AND PROFESSIONAL.
I share the despair and distress of all my brethren in uniform.Situatioin can spin out of hand if justice is not done and his pride in service not restored.Isalute those who stand by the truth and righteousness.
COL S S MALIK
Let all the MLA, MP & their followers to stand on the Country Border to safeguard the Nation. Because they are thinking that country is spending too much for ARMY.
We need a permanent solution to this tussle over emoluments so that the armed forces need only confront the enemies of the nation, says T.R.Ramaswami
In the continuing debate on pay scales for the armed forces, there has to be a serious and transparent effort to ensure that the country is not faced with an unnecessary civil-military confrontation.. That effort will have to come from the netas, who are the real and true bosses of the armed forces and not the civil bureaucracy. A solution may lie in what follows. This country requires the best armed forces, the best police and the best civil service. In fact that is what the British ensured.. By best one means that a person chooses which service he wants as per his desires/ capabilities and not based on the vast differential in prospects in the various services. How much differential is there? Take Maharashtra, one of the most parsimonious with police ranks thus still retaining some merit - the 1981 IPS batch have become 3-star generals, the 1987 are 2-star and the 1994 1-star.. In the army the corresponding years are 1972, 1975, 1979. – ie a differential of 10-15 years. While the differential is more with the IAS, the variance with the IPS is all the more glaring because both are uniformed services and the grades are "visible" on the shoulders.
First some general aspects. Only the armed forces are a real profession – ie where you rise to the top only by joining at the bottom. We have had professors of economics become Finance Secretaries or even Governors of RBI. We have any number of MBBSs, engineers, MBAs, in the police force though what their qualifications lend to their jobs is a moot point. You can join at any level in the civil service, except Cabinet Secretary. A civil servant can move from Animal Husbandry to Civil Aviation to Fertilisers to Steel to yes, unfortunately, even to Defence.. But the army never asks for Brigade Commanders or a Commandant of the Army War College or even Director General Military Intelligence, even from RAW or IB. Army officers can and have moved into organizations like IB and RAW but it is never the other way round. MBBS and Law graduates are only in the Medical or JAG Corps and do nothing beyond their narrow areas. Every Army Chief - in any army - has risen from being a commander of a platoon to company to battalion to brigade to division to corps to army. In fact the professionalism is so intense that no non-armoured corps officer ever commands an armoured formation – first and possibly only exception in world military history – General K. Sunderji. Perhaps it is this outstanding professionalism that irks the civil services.
Next, one must note the rigidity and steep pyramid of the army's rank structure. In the civil services any post is fungible with any grade based on political expediency and the desires of the service. For example I know of one case where one department downgraded one post in another state and up-graded one in Mumbai just to enable someone continue in Mumbai after promotion! You can't fool around like this in the armed forces. A very good Brigadier cannot be made a Major-General and continue as brigade commander. There has to be a clear vacancy for a Major General and even then there may be others better than him. Further the top five ranks in the army comprise only 10% of the officer strength. Contrast this with the civil services where entire batches become Joint Secretaries.
Even the meaning of the word "merit" is vastly different in the army and the civil services. Some years back an officer of the Maharashtra cadre claimed that he should be the Chief Secretary as he was first in the merit list. Which merit list? At the time of entry more than 35 years before! The fact is that this is how merit is decided in the IAS and IPS. Every time a batch gets promoted the inter-se merit is still retained as at the time of entry. In other words if you are first in a batch at the time of entry, then as long as you get promoted, you continue to remain first! This is like someone in the army claiming that he should become chief because he got the Sword of Honour at the IMA. Even a Param Vir Chakra does not count for promotion, assuming that you are still alive. In the armed forces, merit is a continuous process - each time a batch is promoted the merit list is redrawn according to your performance in all the previous assignments with additional weightage given not only to the last one but also to your suitability for the next one. Thus if you are a Brigade Commander and found fit to become a Major General, you may not get a division because others have been found better to head a division. That effectively puts an end to your promotion to Lt. General.
The compensation package must therefore address all the above issues. In each service, anyone must get the same total compensation by the time he reaches the 'mode rank' of his service. "Mode" is a statistical term – the value where the maximum number of variables fall. In the IAS normally everyone reaches Director and in the IPS it is DIG. In the army, given the aforementioned rank and grade rigidities and pyramidical structure, the mode rank cannot exceed Colonel.. Thus a Colonel's gross career earnings (not salary scales alone) must be at par with that of a Director. But remember that a Colonel retires at 54, but every babu from peon to Secretary at 60 regardless of performance. Further, it takes 16-18 years to become a Colonel whereas in that time an IAS officer reaches the next higher grade of Joint Secretary, which is considered equal to a Major General. These aspects and others - like postings in non-family stations - must be addressed while fixing the overall pay scales of Colonel and below. Thereafter a Brigadier will be made equal to a Joint Secretary, a Major-General to an Additional Secretary and a Lt. General to a Secretary. The Army Commanders deserve a new rank - Colonel General - and should be above a Secretary but below Cabinet Secretary. The equalization takes place at the level of Cabinet Secretary and Army Chief. If this is financially a problem I have another solution. Without increasing the armed forces' scales, reduce the scales of the IAS and IPS till they too have 20% shortage. Done? Even India 's corruption index will go down....
If the above is accepted in principle, there is a good case to review the number of posts above Colonel. Senior ranks in the armed forces have become devalued with more and more posts being created.. But the same pruning exercise is necessary in the IAS and more so in the IPS, where Directors General in some states are re-writing police manuals – one is doing Volume I and another Volume II! Further the civil services have such facilities as "compulsory wait" – basically a picnic at taxpayers cost. And if you are not promoted or posted where you don't want to go they seem able to take off on leave with much ease. In the army you will be court-martialled. Also find out how many are on study leave. The country cannot afford this.
Let not someone say that the IAS and IPS exams are tougher and hence the quality of the officers better. An exam at the age of 24 has to be tougher than one at the age of 16. The taxpaying citizen is not interested in your essay/note writing capabilities or whether you know Cleopatra's grandfather. As a citizen I always see the army being called to hold the pants of the civil services and the police and never the other way round. That's enough proof as to who is really more capable. Also recall the insensitive statements made by the IG Meerut in the Aarushi case and the Home Secretary after the blasts. Further, when the IAS and IPS hopefuls are sleeping, eating and studying, their school mates, who have joined the army, stand vigil on the borders to make it possible for them to do so.
Remember that the armed forces can only fight for above the table pay. They can never compete with the civil services and definitely not with the police for the under the table variety.
Finally, there is one supreme national necessity. The political class – not the bureaucracy - which represents the real civil supremacy better become more savvy on matters relating to the armed forces. Till then they are at the mercy of the civil service, who frequently play their own little war games. At ministerial level there are some very specialized departments – Finance, Railways, Security (Home), Foreign and Defence, where split second decisions are necessary. It is always possible to find netas savvy in finance, foreign relations and railways. Security has been addressed in getting a former IPS officer as NSA at the level of a MoS. Is it time that a professional is also brought into the Defence Ministry as MoS? The sooner the better. In fact this will be better than a CoDS because the armed forces will have someone not constrained by the Army Act or Article 33 of the Constitution. Of course the loudest howls will come from the babus. The netas must realize that a divide and rule policy cannot work where the country's security is concerned. Recall 1962?
Our army, already engaged in activities not core to their functions, including rescuing babies from borewells (!), should not have to engage in civil wars over their pay scales.
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